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Wednesday, September 23, 2020

The failure of Robert Mueller

In a new book, Andrew Weissmann, one of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s top deputies, lays out the limits and letdowns of the years-long Russia investigation.

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[H]e’s about to publish the first insider account, called Where Law Ends: Inside the Mueller Investigation. The title comes from an adapted quote by the philosopher John Locke that’s inscribed on the façade of the Justice Department building in Washington, D.C.: “Wherever law ends, tyranny begins.”

Weissmann offers a damning indictment of a “lawless” president and his knowing accomplices—Attorney General William Barr (portrayed as a cynical liar), congressional Republicans, criminal flunkies, Fox News. Donald Trump, he writes, is “like an animal, clawing at the world with no concept of right and wrong.” But in telling the story of the investigation and its fallout, Weissmann reserves his most painful words for the Special Counsel’s Office itself. Where Law Ends portrays a group of talented, dedicated professionals beset with internal divisions and led by a man whose code of integrity allowed their target to defy them and escape accountability.

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He pointed out that the special counsel’s report never arrived at the clear legal conclusions expected from an internal Justice Department document. At the same time, it lacked the explanatory power of last month’s bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report on the 2016 election.

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The Mueller inquiry was the greatest potential check on Trump’s abuse of power. The press gives the president fits, but almost half the country chooses not to believe the news. Congress will protect Trump as long as his party controls at least one chamber. Local prosecutors and civil plaintiffs are severely limited in pursuing justice against a sitting president. [...] Mueller couldn’t try the president in court, let alone send him to prison, but he could fully expose Trump’s wrongdoing for a future prosecutor, using the enforceable power of a grand jury subpoena. The whole constitutional superstructure of checks and balances rested on Mueller and his team.

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A report, hundreds of pages long, with many lines blacked out, was delivered to the attorney general. Before releasing it to the public, Barr pronounced the president innocent, in a brazen mix of elisions, distortions, and outright lies—for the report presented extensive evidence of cooperation between the Trump campaign and Russian assets, and of the president’s efforts to obstruct justice. The lesson Trump took from the Mueller investigation was that he could do anything he wanted.

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“Part of the reason the president and his enablers were able to spin the report was that we had left the playing field open for them to do so[,” Weissmann writes.]

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When Mueller was appointed special counsel in May 2017, he chose Weissmann to lead “Team M”—the group responsible for the case against Paul Manafort, Trump’s corrupt former campaign chairman. Theirs was the most straightforward part of the investigation; they produced an early indictment and, ultimately, a conviction of Manafort on tax fraud and other charges.

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They were hamstrung by Mueller’s decision not to look into Trump’s financial dealings with Russia, which might have established a source of Russian leverage over Trump, but which the president had declared a red line not to be crossed. And they were frustrated by perjury—for Manafort never stopped lying to Team M. His lies were encouraged by the president, who made sympathetic noises about Manafort with the suggestion that stonewalling might earn him a pardon. Trump’s pardon power was an obstacle that the prosecutors didn’t anticipate and could never overcome. It kept them from being able to push uncooperative targets as hard as in an ordinary criminal case.

The Special Counsel’s Office also worked under the constant threat that Trump would fire Mueller, as Richard Nixon had fired Archibald Cox, the first Watergate special prosecutor, in the Saturday Night Massacre. Trump tried several times to get rid of Mueller, but he was stopped by his underlings, who knew that it would lead to legal and political disaster. Still, the threat never went away, and in the end, it served the president’s interests well: “The specter of our being shut down exerted a kind of destabilizing pull on our decision-making process.” Where Law Ends describes numerous instances, large and small, when Mueller declined to pursue an aggressive course for fear of the reaction at the White House.

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Weissmann blames this persistent timidity on one of Mueller’s other top deputies, a lawyer named Aaron Zebley [...] . “Repeatedly during our twenty-two months in operation,” Weissmann writes, “we would reach some critical juncture in our investigation only to have Aaron say that we could not take a particular action because it risked aggravating the president beyond some undefined breaking point.”

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I pointed out that all of these were ultimately Mueller’s decisions. Weissmann agreed.

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His portrait of Mueller is admiring and affectionate. The former FBI director is laconic, loyal, demanding, and, very occasionally, drily charming. Weissmann goes to great lengths to understand Mueller’s thinking on two of his central decisions: not to subpoena Trump, and not to state plainly in the report what the evidence of volume two makes clear—that Trump obstructed justice. Neither decision holds up to Weissmann’s scrutiny.

On the subpoena, Weissmann told me that the reason given in the report—that the legal battle would have unduly delayed the inquiry—was less than candid, since a subpoena issued at the start of the investigation could have been resolved by the Supreme Court months before the date of the report’s completion. In Where Law Ends, Weissmann reveals that the real reason for not compelling the president to be interviewed was Mueller’s aversion to having an explosive confrontation with the White House. [...] On the obstruction of justice, Mueller declined to make a determination because of a long-standing Justice Department policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Mueller, judging that Trump wouldn’t have his day in court until he became a private citizen again, refrained from stating that Trump had broken the law.

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“I was flummoxed by Mueller’s thinking,” he admits. The special counsel was required to make a legal recommendation on the facts and present it in an internal department document to the attorney general. Barr could decide to keep the report private. Or, if it became public, Trump could use his unparalleled platform to defend himself to the country. Or he could choose to be charged and tried in order to clear his name. Mueller, completely out of character, was “making his own, freelance judgments about what was appropriate and not delivering on what he was tasked with doing.”

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“I also think it seems like a transparent shell game,” Weissmann told his colleague. “When there is insufficient proof of a crime, in volume one, we say it. But when there is sufficient proof, with obstruction, we don’t say it. Who is going to be fooled by that? It’s so obvious.”

  The Atlantic
And while no one was fooled by it, it gave Trump the room he needed to claim vindication and to get away with everything.
Mueller and Barr were old friends. Several weeks before submitting the report, Weissmann writes, Mueller informed Barr of his intent to omit any legal recommendation. Barr didn’t object. Without telling Mueller, he saw a chance to disfigure the report into an exoneration of the president and thereby make its damning truths disappear. “Barr,” Weissmann writes, “had betrayed both friend and country.”

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[Mueller] conducted himself with scrupulous integrity and allowed his team to be intimidated by people who had no scruples at all. His deep aversion to publicity silenced him when the public badly needed clarity about the special counsel’s dense, ambiguous, at times unreadable report. His sense of fairness surrendered the facts of presidential criminality to an administration that was at war with facts. He trusted his friend Barr to play it straight, not realizing that Barr had gone crooked. He left the job of holding the president accountable to a Congress that had shown itself to be Trump’s willing accomplice.

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In our interview, I asked Weissmann if Mueller had let the American people down. “Absolutely, yep,” Weissmann said, before quickly adding: “I wouldn’t phrase it as just Mueller. I would say ‘the office.’

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And the investigation—was it a historic missed opportunity?

Weissmann’s reply was terse. “That’s fair.”
And look where we are now. On the verge of an authoritarian coup.
Now it’s upon us, and the president remains free to repeat what worked for him in the last one.
And to refuse to accept a loss.



This is the first I've known Renato Mariotti to say Mueller's actions were indefensible.  He has always defended Mueller in the past.








So there's the defense of Mueller after all. I have the greatest respect for Renato Mariotti, but Mueller was the head of Mueller's team. If they were allowed to let Trump intimidate them, that's on Mueller.

Monday, July 13, 2020

Recommend podcast

Renato Mariotti and Joyce Vance discuss recent Supreme Court rulings in Trump tax return case, and toward the end give us hope that there are attorneys who will forego riches to "do the right thing."

...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Sunday, September 22, 2019

Biden's record: The Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings

This is an old, but pertinent story.

I'm bringing it back up, because I recently listened to another good podcast by Renato Mariotti wherein he talked with Asha Rangappa.   I recommend it.

Both of those people are young enough that the Clarence Thomas hearings may not even have reached their spheres of attention, but of course they know about it, so when they brought it up in relation to the Kavanaugh hearings, which they discuss in the podcast, they didn't seem familiar with the details.  While I was old enough, I didn't know the details either.  According to this Jane Mayer article, in fact, the public was intentionally kept in the dark about most of what happened with the Anita Hill portion by none other than the man who presided over the hearings: Joe Biden.

In the podcast, Rangappa says that, unlike the Kavanaugh fiasco, she doesn't think the Thomas hearings showed any problem with the process itself.    I sent a link to the Mayer article to her on Twitter (and to Mariotti and his podcast partner, Patti Vasquez, as well), for which Rangappa thanked me, so I hope they'll somehow correct the error either in a subsequent podcast or at least on their Twitter accounts.  My Twitter response is there for anyone who happens to be following Mariotti's feed, but that won't be nearly as many who heard the podcast.

Say no to Joe.

Wednesday, July 24, 2019

Clarification - sort of - regarding the statute of limitations running out for Trump

From an earlier post:
Quigley also noted that a second term for Trump, which would surpass the statute of limitations on his crimes, would essentially put the president above the law. Mueller said he wouldn't characterize it that way. But it's effect is right, and Quigley noted that this is why we have to pursue other avenues - i.e., impeachment.
When asked the question about the statute of limitations running out while Trump is in office on a second term, leaving him free from legal action, Mueller responded, "I don't know about that."  And then he added he isn't certain he can see that possibility.

In this All the President's Lawyers podcast, Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor, talks about the issue thusly:
Mariotti: Tolling a statute of limitations is  essentially when a statute of limitations is paused for a particular period of time.   [...]    Sometimes there are exceptions that toll that.  For example, if  the wrongdoer has hidden certain aspects of their criminal activity, that can toll the statute for a period of time.   [...]  Mueller, rightfully, I think, answered at first, "I don't know."  I think that's the right answer, because the issue's never come up; it's never been considered by a court, and who the heck knows what a court would do with that?  [...]  But I think Mueller, in the end, also is reflecting the fact -- at a certain point at the end, he said it couldn't be, and that's probably because there's a notice issue to a defendant.  If I was representing Trump or someone in that situation, what I would be arguing is he could not possibly know that he could be prosecuted many years later and that this tolling would take place.

Barro:  [...] In this instance, we're talking about these are actions the president took in 2017 and 2018 that could have conceivably been obstruction of justice; it could also apply to actions the president took in 2016 related to those hush payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.  So, if the president didn't leave office until 2025, and that was more than five years after the criminal act, you'd basically have to make an argument that the statute of limitations didn't apply because the presidency was protecting him from indictment. [...] But, I guess your contention is that you would have had to tell the president while he's still in office that it's your intention to indict him later in order to create that notice?

Mariotti:  Well, I just think that nothing like that is clearly established in law, and there's an issue as to whether or not notice is given to people that if you commit a crime, you have liability years later. [...] Neal Katyal, the former acting solicitor general, made the argument on my podcast months ago [...] but I think that, not only has no court ever gone this direction because they've never considered the issue, I think that there would be huge notice problems to someone. Typically, statute of limitations, exceptions and tolling of statute of limitations are either set forth clearly in a statute, or they're due to some action or misconduct on the part of the person themselves.  Here, being president is not itself misconduct.  I haven't looked at the issue carefully.  It would take a lot of legal research, but I think there would certainly be arguments that Trump could make that he did not have sufficient notice.
I think we have to get used to the idea that Trump may never face justice for his crimes.  Unless the Southern District of New York gets him for money laundering, and that would not surprise me.  It also would not surprise me if something very drastic happens and Trump never leaves office until he dies, at which point, Ivanka would be our president.  The question is, if that happens, will we rise up and rebel?

If Trump does leave office in the next two or six years and is replaced by a legitimate democratic president and Congress, there will be a horrendous amount of work to be done to make new laws that prohibit this nightmare's recurrence.  Norms will not cut it from here on out.  And with the Roberts Court, maybe laws won't either.  Our days of reckoning are upon us.  They were bound to arrive.

In defense of Mueller's testimony

Josh Barro interviewed Renato Mariotti on All the President's Lawyers immediately after Mueller's testimony.

UPDATE:  Mariotti discusses Mueller's testimony on his own podcast On Topic.

Monday, July 15, 2019

Unpacking the Epstein charges

Renato Mariotti and Mimi Rocca enlighten us about the facts and the possibilities around the outrageous deal Alex Acosta made for Jeffrey Epstein and just how extraordinary the entire situation is.


Listen here.

...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Monday, July 8, 2019

Renato Mariotti chimes in

Renato Mariotti is also a defense attorney and former federal prosecutor.



Indictment


















UPDATE:



UPDATE:



That seems to contradict what Ken White said, so none of it is clear to me.  I'm sure we'll learn more as things develop.

Saturday, April 20, 2019

On Topic

Check out this highly informative, easy to understand podcast discussing the Mueller report, Barr's actions and implications of it all (and wherein the issue of ignorance of the law being a defense is explained):



...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Friday, April 19, 2019

The Mueller report: an analysis by Renato Mariotti at Politico

For nearly a month, the American public has been under the impression, thanks to a four-page "summary" by Attorney General William Barr, that Robert Mueller could not decide whether President Donald Trump had obstructed justice because of “difficult questions of law and fact.” Barr suggested that the special counsel, after 22 months of investigation, simply couldn’t make up his mind and left it to his boss to decide.

Now that we have seen almost the entire report of more than 400 pages, we know Barr intentionally misled the American people about Mueller’s findings and his legal reasoning. As a former federal prosecutor, when I look at Mueller’s work, I don’t see a murky set of facts. I see a case meticulously laid out by a prosecutor who knew he was not allowed to bring it.

  Politico
Bingo.
Mueller’s report detailed extraordinary efforts by Trump to abuse his power as president to undermine Mueller’s investigation. The case is so detailed that it is hard to escape the conclusion that Mueller could have indicted and convicted Trump for obstruction of justice—if he were permitted to do so. And the reason he is not permitted to do so is very clear: Department of Justice policy prohibits the indictment of a sitting president.
And why is that?
Mueller still could have reached a conclusion regarding obstruction of justice, but he believed it would be unfair to reach a conclusion that Trump could not rebut in court. How do we know this? Because Mueller says it. If he had reached a conclusion that Trump obstructed justice, Mueller wrote, Trump could not go to court to obtain a “speedy and public trial” with the “procedural protections” afforded to a criminal defendant by the Constitution.
Indeed, Mueller's devotion to fairness is the only reason Trump isn't being criminally charged for what Mueller clearly believes is criminal behavior. He'll get no thanks from Trump. But his integrity is intact.
Though Mueller determined there was no “collusion” between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, he makes clear that proving obstruction does not require the existence of such an underlying crime.
That bullshit defense is the Trump cabal's latest appeal to his base.

“The injury to the integrity of the justice system is the same regardless of whether a person committed an underlying wrong,” Mueller wrote. Moreover, Mueller’s team “found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations.”

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In his letter in March, Barr rushed to conclude that Trump did not obstruct justice, suggesting that Mueller “[left] it to the Attorney General to determine whether the conduct described in the report constitutes a crime.” His letter, which did not contain a single full sentence written by Mueller’s team, contained none of Mueller’s reasoning, nor his rejection of all of the defenses raised by Trump’s lawyers to obstruction of justice.
At least whoever is thinking about defending Trump once he's no longer president knows what the legal rebuttals will be.
Then Barr compounded the deception in his news conference Thursday before his release of the report. Without Mueller present, Barr took a question from a reporter who asked whether Mueller’s non-decision on obstruction “had anything to do with the department's long-standing guidance from the Office of Legal Counsel on not indicting a sitting president.”

Barr responded that he had a private conversation with Mueller, who told him that he “was not saying that but for the OLC opinion, he would have found a crime.” Regardless of whether Barr's recounting of the conversation was technically accurate, it’s clear that Barr’s answer was highly misleading. Having now read the report, there can be no serious question that the answer from the Mueller team is “yes.” “Fairness concerns” arising from the inability to indict a sitting president was the key factor in Mueller’s decision not to reach a conclusion on obstruction of justice.

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In the report, Mueller went out of his way to debunk Barr’s unconventional view that the Constitution “categorically and permanently immunize[d]” Trump from prosecution for abusing his power to undermine the investigation.

In fact, Mueller concluded that Congress has the authority to remove Trump from office, noting that his “conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law.” Mueller appears to believe that it is the role of Congress to ensure Trump is not above the law.
And it IS.
The majority of House Democrats have already concluded that impeachment is not “worthwhile.”
Unbelievable. A total abdication of their duties. Which they're used to, since they've allowed several presidents already to conduct war without the constitutional requirement of a declaration from Congress.
The Mueller report paints a picture of a president who took extraordinary steps to undermine a lawful investigation into him and his associates. Trump fired the FBI director, tried to fire Mueller, asked the FBI director to stop investigating former national security adviser Michael Flynn, tried to persuade Attorney General Jeff Sessions to reverse his recusal and tank the investigation, and tried to influence the testimony of witnesses. Mueller properly rejected all of the defenses to obstruction of justice put forward by Trump's lawyers. Candidly, as a criminal defense attorney, I cannot see how I would convince a jury that there is reasonable doubt based on these facts.
Depends on the jury, doesn't it?
But Trump will almost certainly never face a jury, due in part to the highly questionable efforts of his lawyers, who appear to need lawyers of their own.

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Mueller said he chose not to interview Trump because it would cause “substantial delay” and he already had “sufficient evidence,” which strongly suggests that Mueller felt that he could prove Trump's intent without an interview. In a typical case, a prosecutor would have interviewed Trump regardless, to lock him into a story. In this matter as well, Mueller showed considerable restraint.
History will tell if it was the right decision.
Ironically, despite Trump's refusal to sit for an interview—as other presidents like Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton did—Barr touted Trump's “full cooperation” with the investigation. On this matter, as with so many others, Barr deceived the public.

That is not the only time Barr deliberately misled the American people. His letter from March is full of half-truths and highly misleading statements. For example, Barr quoted the following passage from the report: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Barr omitted the first part of that sentence, which read: “Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

If I engaged in that sort of selective quotation in a court of law, I would be censured for misleading the court. As attorney general of the United States, Barr should be held to a higher standard than any ordinary lawyer. There can be no serious question that Barr deliberately misled the American people and its elected representatives about a matter of the utmost public concern.
He auditioned for the job. He'll go down in history as a liar and deciever. That's a pretty big price to pay. It would be interesting to know the real reason he was eager to pay it.
More alarming, Barr stonewalled the House of Representatives, which has a constitutional duty to investigate criminal activity by the president. Despite repeated requests, Barr did not disclose the report to the House prior to its public release and has still refused to provide the full report to congressional leadership, leading House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler of New York to state that he will issue a subpoena for the report.

There can be no justification for Barr’s refusal to provide the report to Congress, particularly when he provided the report to Trump’s legal team—including Trump's personal attorneys—days prior to its release.

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Many will criticize Mueller’s decision (or lack thereof) because, as a practical matter, it does not hold Trump immediately responsible for his conduct. But I will never criticize a prosecutor for demonstrating a sense of fair play. As Justice Robert H. Jackson wrote, “the citizen's safety lies in the prosecutor who tempers zeal with human kindness, who seeks truth and not victims, who serves the law and not factional purposes, and who approaches his task with humility.”

Faced with a task of enormous importance, Mueller exemplified the highest ideals of the Department of Justice.
Higher, actually.

...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Thursday, March 28, 2019

Recommended podcast re Mueller report

So many people seem to be saying much the same thing about the Mueller report, two different takes of course.  But I found this On Topic podcast with Renato Mariotti and Barb McQuade actually informative.

Chicagoan Renato Mariotti is a little hard to listen to, but he's always smart and thoughtful, and so that's the type of guest he always has on his podcast as well.  I always learn something. 

Check it out.


...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Thursday, February 28, 2019

How Trump's Office of Legal Counsel works

Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti talks with Erica Newland who quit her job at OLC because she felt they were simply aiding Trump's lies.  Mariotti and Newland are both on the edge of my listening tolerance as speakers, but I think what Ms. Newland has to say is both enlightening and important.  (And admittedly, I have a very low auditory tolerance, if that's the right way to say there are more things I can't stand to listen to than things I can. 

I'll also note that previous administrations have used the OLC for justifying unconstitutional and amoral policies, but as Ms. Newland describes it, there was a process for ascertaining the truth and necessity of Executive Orders before they were issued that Trump's administration has simply bypassed altogether.

Anyway, the podcast is here. (Or here with other Mariotti podcasts, at Episode 34.)

Check it out.  Also, his other podcasts are pretty much always interesting and enlightening as well.

And, oh yeah, impeach Trump.  (Dump Trump and Ditch Mitch for a return to democracy.)

...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Wednesday, November 7, 2018

Attorney Renato Mariotti weighs in



I don't know if that's true. 



At any rate, I'm guessing that, regardless of all the conflicts of interest and previous bullshit prattled by Whitaker, the Republican Senate can call up a snap vote overnight and have him confirmed.

Also...



Sam Clovis is caught up in the Mueller investigation himself as national co-chair of Donald Trump's campaign.  I see why Whitaker was picked to be next in line to Sessions.  They all just bunched together to protect each other, didn't they?  Don't forget, Sessions was part of the 2016 Trump cabal (mob family), too.

...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.