Showing posts with label Yovanovitch testimony. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Yovanovitch testimony. Show all posts

Saturday, November 16, 2019

Why Stefanik wasafforded so much prominence at the Yovanovitch hearing

Now I get it.
Republicans attempted to approach Yovanovitch respectfully. They praised her service—even as they defended Trump for ending it prematurely—and gave prominence to Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) so as to avoid the optics of men attacking a woman.

  Daily Beast
And I might point out that Stefanik is the only female on the Republican side of the Committee.
Yet they were at times dismissive of what Yovanovitch had described as a nightmare. Rep. Michael Conaway (R-TX), asked her basic questions about her post-ambassadorship gig at Georgetown University—how many classes does she teach? How many students does she have?—and the regard her diplomatic colleagues have for her, suggesting that she suffered no real harm after the president capped an assassination of her character by firing her.

Later, Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL) had the room laughing when he spelled out the upshot of that inquiry. “It’s like a Hallmark movie,” he said from the dais. “You ended up at Georgetown. This is all OK!”

[...]

The ambassador’s appearance met a rare ending for the staid hearing rooms of Capitol Hill. Schiff closed with a thundering statement, and before Yovanovitch could even rise from her chair, the crowd in the gallery erupted in a standing ovation.


Friday, November 15, 2019

In a nutshell


Yovanovitch testimony

What do you think Representative Krishnamoorthi was trying to say?

Yovanovitch testimony conclusion

The public attendees in the room gave Marie Yovanovitch a standing ovation as she left the hearing room.  Hopefully, she feels a little vindicated, and at least affirmed that she did the right thing in agreeing to testify.

Once again, the Republicans were mostly shameless.  Adam Schiff, I think, has decided he's had enough.  He rode herd on them mercilessly.  As he should at this point.  They'll be squealing about it.  As will Fox News punditry. 

The hearing on CSPAN can be seen here.

...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

So far in the Yovanovitch hearing

Nunes read out Trump's released transcript of his first "perfect" letter to Zelensky, which was just a congratulatory call on Zelensky's election win.  Schiff thanked Nunes and Trump and demanded Trump release all the other documents the Committee has been asking for.  In a pig's eye.

Republicans then tried to disrupt, much as they did in Wednesday's hearing demanding a response to their list of witnesses they want to call.  Republican Elise Stefanik interrupted Schiff, asking for a parliamentary inquiry, and when denied, she went on asking for a point of order, which Schiff then allowed.  She complained that Democrats were not allowing Republican witnesses or allowing witnesses to answer Republican questions - the same thing she brought up in Wednesday's hearing at the start.  Schiff gaveled her out, saying that was not a proper point of order.  When others jumped on the case - mainly Jim Jordan -  Schiff decided not to let them take over and denied them the opportunity to speak.  There was a lot of gavel banging.  And there'll be a lot of whinging on Fox.  (I wonder why Stefanik is the first to jump in with a complaint both days.  It was planned, of course, but why her?)



Also Trump is watching the hearing and nasty-tweeting Ambassador Yovanovitch. Schiff read it out for the record.



No doubt witness intimidation will be a part of the articles.

I'm going to skip Nunes' 45-minutes of time.  If I see any interesting comments about it online, I'll post.

UPDATE:


They were trying to avoid it yesterday because the witnesses were men.  We'll see what they try to do today with a woman.

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UPDATE:  In a nutshell...



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Bingo.

UPDATE:  Now I get it.

Monday, November 11, 2019

Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch testimony

Yovanovitch’s testimony illustrates just what kind of a mess we’re in.

But I think we all knew that stuff anyway, even before Yovanovitch sat down before the committees. What I, at least, didn't know was the depth of the madness that has entered American policymaking with this president* and his pack of bumbling buccaneers. All through the extended fandango through which she lost her job, Yovanovich is advised that, if she wanted to keep it, she'd do well to kiss the delicate presidential hindquarters lest they shatter from her neglect. The messenger was Gordon Sondland, the U.S. Ambassador To Bullshit Alibis.
You need to, you know, tweet out there that you support the president. He said: "You know the president. Well, maybe you don’t know him personally, but you know, you know, the sorts of things that he likes."
Dance, monkey, dance! Yovanovitch declined, and lost her job.

This all came as the entire diplomatic apparatus in that part of the world was tasked with getting rid of Ambassador Yovanovitch, and was put in service of a lunatic conspiracy theory and at the disposal of Sean Hannity.

[...]

This was so egregious that, according to Yovanovich, the State Department put in a call to Hannity to tell him to put up or shut up regarding the smears of Yovanovich that seemed to be coming from the shady precincts within which Giuliani was doing business in Ukraine. But, still, Hannity?

  Charles P Pierce
...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Monday, November 4, 2019

Yovanovitch testimony

From The Daily Beast:
Yovanovich was targeted by Giuliani and his associates because she was viewed as an obstacle to their efforts to get the new Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, to open an investigation into Hunter Biden’s business dealings and any role from Ukraine in the 2016 U.S. election.

[...]

The president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., sent out a tweet in March calling her a “joker.”

[...]

Yovanovitch said that Phil Reeker, a senior State Department official, told her after she was recalled from Kyiv that Trump had wanted her out since mid-summer 2018, at least.

[...]

Reeker told her that Pompeo had tried to protect her, but that he “was no longer able to do that.” Yovanovich said she asked to meet with Ulrich Brechbuhl, a top State Department lawyer, but he didn’t agree to a meeting.

[...]

Yovanovitch said that criticisms of her from conservative media figures eventually became so pronounced that a senior State Department official reached out to Fox News host Sean Hannity about his coverage of her.

“What I was told by Phil Reeker was that the Secretary or perhaps somebody around him was going to place a call to Mr. Hannity on FOX News to say, ‘You know, what is going on?’” she told lawmakers. “‘I mean, do you have proof of these kinds of allegations or not? And if you have proof, you know, telI me, and if not, stop.’ And I understand that that call was made. I don't know whether it was the Secretary or somebody else in his inner circle. And for a time, you know, things kind of simmered down.”

During this ordeal, Yovanovich did receive guidance from one of the president’s key point men on Ukraine, Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union. His proposal was that she tweet her support of Trump.

“He said, you know, you need to go big or go home… Tweet out there that you support the President, and that all these are lies and everything else.”

Yovanovich replied that such an approach, as a diplomat, would be inappropriate.

  The Daily Beast
From NBC:
Yovanovitch departed Ukraine in May, months ahead of her scheduled departure, after coming under attack from right-wing media, which alleged she was hostile to the president. Her departure set off alarm bells among Democrats in Congress but the State Department said at the time her exit was planned.

Yovanovitch testified to House investigators Oct. 11 that Trump had personally pressured the State Department to remove her, even though a top department official assured her that she had "done nothing wrong."

[...]

Yovanovitch recalled that Carol Perez, the director general of the Foreign Service, "said that there was a lot of concern for me, that I needed to be on the next plane home to Washington. And I was like, what? What happened? And she said, I don't know, but this is about your security. You need to come home immediately. You need to come home on the next plane."

According to the intelligence community whistleblower complaint at the heart of Democrats' impeachment inquiry, Yovanovitch's tenure was cut short because she had run afoul of the then-prosecutor general in Ukraine, Yuri Lutsenko, and President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who had been working to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate the Biden family.Lutsenko at one point alleged she had given him a "do not prosecute" list. The State Department has said the assertion was an outright fabrication and Lutsenko himself later walked back his comments.

[...]

Yovanovitch said she had wanted Pompeo to issue a statement that said she had his "full confidence," but the request was turned down. Yovanovitch, according to the transcript, said that acting Assistant Secretary of State Philip Reeker told her they were exercising "caution" because any statement "could be undermined" by the president.

  NBC
...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

The transcripts roll out

Transcript of Marie Yovanovitch testimony

Transcript of McKinley testimony


Volker and Sondland tomorrow.


Saturday, October 12, 2019

White House sends talking points to Dems again

I'm beginning to think this is not an accident.
The White House accidentally sent Democrats a list of talking points related to ex-Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch’s Friday House deposition, two sources with knowledge of the email told The Hill, the second time in a month the administration has sent its Ukraine talking points to Democrats.

[...]

In copies of the guidance shared with The Hill, the White House encouraged Republicans to adopt a series of messages designed to turn the tables back on Democrats, including attacks on House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s (D-Calif.) handling of the investigation.

  The Hill
Because, just like the whistlebower complaint, they have no grounds to dispute the actual accusations.
“We are not concerned with any information Yovanovitch might share, because the President did nothing wrong,” the White House email meant for Republicans said. “But we are concerned that Schiff is putting her a precarious position by having her testify in secret without State Department lawyers be present.”

"It raises serious questions about why Schiff is willing to put career officials in such risky situations while bullying them with legally unfounded threats of obstruction charges," the email continued.

It added that Schiff "is willing to ride roughshod over fair process and to use career officials to further a baseless political objective."
Attack Schiff. They've got nothing else.

Friday, October 11, 2019

Trump and Pompeo tried to prevent Yovanovitch testimony

(Since I've seen how the ambassador presents her own name: Yovanovitch, I'm editing all my posts from Jovanovic (which is probably how it's spelled in Ukraine - well, but in a Cyrillic alphabet.)
It is now clear that Marie Yovanovitch, who is still technically an employee of the state department, defied the White House’s wishes in testifying before the House committees investigating impeachment.

[...]

The Democratic chairmen of the committees leading the impeachment inquiry said that the White House had directed the state department to block Marie Yovanovitch from testifying.

[...]

Adam Schiff, Eliot Engel and Elijah Cummings said: “Last night, the Committees learned that the State Department, at the direction of the White House, directed Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch not to appear for her voluntary interview today.

[...]

“In response, the House Intelligence Committee issued a subpoena to compel her testimony this morning. This duly authorized subpoena is mandatory, and the illegitimate order from the Trump Administration not to cooperate has no force. As is required of her, the Ambassador is now complying with the subpoena and answering questions from both Democratic and Republican Members and staff.

[...]

The Democratic chairman of those committees confirmed moments ago that they issued a subpoena to the former US ambassador to Ukraine to compel her to appear, which she complied with.

But other Trump administration officials have ignored congressional subpoenas to adhere to the president’s wishes. And that raises this question: will the White House retaliate against Yovanovitch for testifying?

  Guardian
I'd say there's a better than zero chance of that.
That certainly seemed like a possibility in the talking points that the administration issued about Yovanovitch’s appearance. The White House warned in those talking points that, by testifying without a state department lawyer, Yovanovitch was in “serious danger that she could breach her obligations as a current employee.”
And don't forget Trump's statement that "she's going to go through some stuff" even before she testified.




I guess they couldn't scare her.  Too bad more people in DC don't have her integrity.  And credit to Sondland, who is also going to testify under subpoena, in spite of orders from the White House and State not to do so.
The three Democratic chairman of the House committees leading the impeachment inquiry said the White House’s efforts to block Marie Yovanovitch’s testimony provided more evidence of obstruction.
How observant.

Hearing schedule


I agree.  The public has a need and a right to hear everything in these impeachment interviews that isn't classified.
...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Yovanovitch update: Regarding John Sullivan



...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Ex-Ambassador Jovanovic's deposition statement

Excerpts:
Throughout my career, I have stayed true to the oath that Foreign Service Officers take and observe every day: “that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;” and “that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.” Like all foreign service officers with whom I have been privileged to serve, I have understood that oath as a commitment to serve on a strictly nonpartisan basis, to advance the foreign policy determined by the incumbent President, and to work at all times to strengthen our national security and promote our national interests.

[...]

I have proudly promoted and served American interests as the representative of the American people and six different presidents over the last three decades. Throughout that time, I—like my colleagues at the State Department—have always believed that we enjoyed a sacred trust with our government.

We make a difference every day on issues that matter to the American people—whether it is war and peace, trade and investment, or simply helping with a lost passport. We repeatedly uproot our lives, and we frequently put ourselves in harm’s way to serve this nation. And we do that willingly, because we believe in America and its special role in the world. We also believe that, in return, our government will have our backs and protect us if we come under attack from foreign interests.

That basic understanding no longer holds true. Today, we see the State Department attacked and hollowed out from within. [...] at institution, and its thousands of loyal and effective employees.

[...]

My parents fled Communist and Nazi regimes. Having seen, first hand, the war, poverty and displacement common to totalitarian regimes, they valued the freedom and democracy the U.S. represents.

[...]

From August 2016 until May 2019, I served as the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine. Our policy, fully embraced by Democrats and Republicans alike, was to help Ukraine become a stable and independent democratic state, with a market economy integrated into Europe.

[...]

[I]t is critical to the security of the United States that Ukraine remain free and democratic and that it continue to resist Russian expansionism. Russia’s purported annexation of Crimea, its invasion of Eastern Ukraine, and its de facto control over the Sea of Azov, make clear Russia’s malign intentions towards Ukraine.

[...]

Supporting Ukraine’s integration into Europe and combatting Russia’s efforts to destabilize Ukraine have anchored US policy since the Ukrainian people protested on the Maidan in 2014 and demanded to be a part of Europe and live according to the rule of law. That was US policy when I was appointed Ambassador in August 2016, and it was reaffirmed as the policy of the current administration in early 2017.
Before Trump realized he could use Ukraine's help to win reelection.
We have long understood that strong anti-corruption efforts must form an essential part of our policy in Ukraine.

[...]

Put simply: anti-corruption efforts serve Ukraine’s interests. They serve ours as well. Corrupt leaders are inherently less trustworthy, while an honest and accountable Ukrainian leadership makes a U.S.-Ukraine partnership more reliable and more valuable to the U.S. A level playing field in this strategically located country—one with a European landmass exceeded only by Russia and with one of the largest populations in Europe—creates an environment in which U.S. business can more easily trade, invest and profit.
Which, let's be honest, is the point that matters to the powers that be in the US.
Corruption is a security issue as well, because corrupt officials are vulnerable to Moscow.
Yes, we know. We have one.
Angered by insufficient progress in the fight against corruption, Ukrainian voters overwhelmingly elected a man who said that ending corruption would be his number one priority. The transition, however, created fear among the political elite, setting the stage for some of the issues I expect we will be discussing today.

Understanding Ukraine’s recent history, including the significant tension between those who seek to transform the country and those who wish to continue profiting from the old ways, is of critical importance to understanding the events you asked me here today to describe. Many of those events—and the false narratives that emerged from them—resulted from an unfortunate alliance between Ukrainians who continue to operate within a corrupt system, and Americans who either did not understand that corrupt system, or who may have chosen, for their own purposes, to ignore it.
She's being generous by leaving off "or take advantage of it."
Several of the events with which you may be concerned occurred before I was even in country. Here are just a few:
  • the release of the so-called “Black Ledger” and Mr. Manafort’s subsequent resignation from the Trump campaign;
  • the Embassy’s April 2016 letter to the Prosecutor General’s Office about the investigation into the Anti-Corruption Action Center or AntAC; and
  • the departure from office of former Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.
Several other events occurred after I was recalled from Ukraine. These include:
  • President Trump’s July 25 call with President Zelenskiy;
  • All of the discussions surrounding that phone call; and
  • Any discussions surrounding the reported delay of security assistance to Ukraine in Summer 2019.
As for events during my tenure in Ukraine, I want to categorically state that I have never myself or through others, directly or indirectly, ever directed, suggested, or in any other way asked for any government or government official in Ukraine (or elsewhere) to refrain from investigating or prosecuting actual corruption. As Mr. Lutsenko, the former Ukrainian Prosecutor General has recently acknowledged, the notion that I created or disseminated a “do not prosecute” list is completely false—a story that Mr. Lutsenko, himself, has since retracted.

Equally fictitious is the notion that I am disloyal to President Trump. I have heard the allegation in the media that I supposedly told the Embassy team to ignore the President’s orders “since he was going to be impeached.” That allegation is false. I have never said such a thing, to my Embassy colleagues or to anyone else.

[...]

[T]he Obama administration did not ask me to help the Clinton campaign or harm the Trump campaign, nor would I have taken any such steps if they had.

I have never met Hunter Biden, nor have I had any direct or indirect conversations with him. And although I have met former Vice President Biden several times over the course of our many years in government, neither he nor the previous Administration ever, directly or indirectly, raised the issue of either Burisma or Hunter Biden with me.

With respect to Mayor Giuliani, I have had only minimal contacts with him—a total of three that I recall. None related to the events at issue. I do not know Mr. Giuliani’s motives for attacking me. But individuals who have been named in the press as contacts of Mr. Giuliani may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in Ukraine.

Finally, after being asked by the Department in early March to extend my tour until 2020, I was then abruptly told in late April to come back to Washington from Ukraine “on the next plane.” You will understandably want to ask why my posting ended so suddenly. I wanted to learn that too, and I tried to find out. [...] [The Deputy Secretary of State] said that the President had lost confidence in me and no longer wished me to serve as his ambassador. He added that there had been a concerted campaign against me, and that the Department had been under pressure from the President to remove me since the Summer of 2018. He also said that I had done nothing wrong and that this was not like other situations where he had recalled ambassadors for cause.
I had to look that one up: the Deputy Secretary of State at that time (and currently, for now) was John Sullivan.
Although I understand that I served at the pleasure of the President, I was nevertheless incredulous that the U.S. government chose to remove an Ambassador based, as best as I can tell, on unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives. To make matters worse, all of this occurred during an especially challenging time in bilateral relations with a newly elected Ukrainian president. This was precisely the time when continuity in the Embassy in Ukraine was most needed.

[...]

We need to rebuild diplomacy as the first resort to advance America’s interests and the front line of America’s defense. I fear that not doing so will harm our nation’s interest, perhaps irreparably.

That harm will come not just through the inevitable and continuing resignation and loss of many of this nation’s most loyal and talented public servants. It also will come when those diplomats who soldier on and do their best to represent our nation face partners abroad who question whether the ambassador truly speaks for the President and can be counted upon as a reliable partner. The harm will come when private interests circumvent professional diplomats for their own gain, not the public good. The harm will come when bad actors in countries beyond Ukraine see how easy it is to use fiction and innuendo to manipulate our system.

Full statement.

UPDATE:



UPDATE:



Technically, it's not lying.  Trump planned it one day, and they carried it out.