Showing posts with label Lorance-Clint. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Lorance-Clint. Show all posts

Friday, December 6, 2019

Poor baby

[Former US Army 1st Lt. Clint] Lorance was sentenced to 19 years in military prison after he was found guilty of second-degree murder by ordering his soldiers to shoot at three unarmed men on a motorcycle in Afghanistan in 2012.

Lorance said in a tweet on Thursday that though he was pardoned and released from prison, a dishonorable discharge made it difficult to get a job "even at Walmart or Target."

[...]

Lorance had served six years of his sentence when Trump granted him clemency in November.

  Business Insider
Anybody looking to hire a war criminal?
"I made the best decision I could make, given the conditions on the ground," Lorance said on "The Sean Hannity Show" after his pardon in November, adding, "I would make the same exact decision again today if I was faced with that decision."
Good to know. Surely Trump can find a place for him in the administration.
Trump "told me my record would be expunged," he said. "His staff in the White House must have disagreed. This will be an uphill battle."
That darned staff. It couldn't possibly be that Trump didn't know what the fuck he was talking about.

...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

Monday, November 18, 2019


He may not be Secretary of Defense, but he might get a visit to the White House and all the cheeseburgers he can eat.  He'll certainly get some Trump Twitter praise, and quite possibly a job at the White House.  Check out the rest of his Trump ass-kissing speech.

In case you don't remember Lorance's case:
[One] day, as the soldiers prepared to head out on a patrol, a small group of three or four Afghan men met them at the gate.

The men were upset. They wanted to know why the Americans shot into their village the day before.

Lorance told them that if they had a problem, they could attend the shura, or meeting, he planned to have later in the week, according to testimony. The Afghans refused to budge.

"He told them to get out of there," Skelton said in his testimony. "He started very aggressively yelling at them, and he started counting, and he pulled back the charging handle on his weapon and chambered a round."

As the soldiers' interpreter "panicked," one of the other soldiers testified, the Afghans turned away and left.

The Americans and a squad of Afghan National Army soldiers began walking out on their patrol.

Just moments into the patrol, Skelton opened fire [...]  and then Pvt. David Shilo, operating the M240B machine gun on the truck, killed [...] two Afghans.

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The men on the motorcycle stopped when Skelton first opened fire, Fitzgerald said. "At that point, they were definitely not any type of threat," he said. "They weren't coming at us."

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[Lorance] falsely reported to his troop commander that he was unable to conduct a battle damage assessment because the bodies had already been removed, [the army prosecutor] said. "Lieutenant Lorance ordered the murder of these two men," [the army prosecutor] said. "He knew it was murder, and that's why he took so many steps to try to cover it up."

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"We had been in that village so many times," he said. "We knew right then and there these were the village elders, these are the guys that actually matter in the village, and we just killed them."

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Though he didn't fire the weapon, [Lorance] was convicted of making the call. He was also convicted of threatening a local Afghan; firing an M14 rifle into a village and trying to have one of his soldiers lie about receiving incoming fire; and obstructing justice by making a false radio report after the two men on the motorcycle were killed.

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"Over about a three-day period, Lieutenant Lorance … committed crimes of violence and crimes of dishonesty," said Capt. Kirk Otto, who prosecuted the case for the government, according to a transcript of the court-martial.

First, on June 30, 2012, Lorance threatened to kill an Afghan man and his family, Otto said in his opening statement.

The man, a farmer, and his child, who was about 4 years old, were at the gate to talk to the Americans about the concertina wire that was blocking access to his farm field, Otto said.

"He said, 'You move the c-wire, I'll have somebody kill you,'" Spc. James Twist, who was at the scene, testified during the court-martial.

Lorance then tried to have the Afghan turn in IEDs to the Americans, Twist testified.

"He was like, 'You bring us IEDs or we'll have the ANA kill your family,'" Twist said. "And Lieutenant Lorance was like, 'Well, if we ever come onto your land and we step on an IED or we find an IED, I'll have the ANA come and kill your family.' And he pointed to the kid and said, 'Do you want to see your child grow up?'

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[Lorance's] own soldiers [...] claim their platoon leader was ignorant, overzealous and out of control. That he hated the Afghan people and that he had spent recent days tormenting the locals and issuing death threats.

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"He directs harassing fire — illegal harassing fire — at villagers," Otto said.

Lorance directed his soldier to shoot near groups of people, as well as at walls and vehicles, he said. The soldier, Spc. Matthew Rush, refused to shoot when Lorance directed him to fire near a group of children, Otto said.

"These villagers were not doing anything," Otto said. "There was no demonstrated hostile intent. No one heard incoming shots."

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Lorance later tried to have Sgt. Daniel Williams, who was in the tactical operations center, falsely report that the Strong Point received incoming potshots, Otto said.

"He told me to report up that they had taken potshots from the village," Williams testified. "I told him that I wouldn't … because it's a false report."

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Todd Fitzgerald, a former specialist and infantryman in Lorance's platoon, said he felt betrayed by the lieutenant.

"I don't believe that he really understood what he was getting into," he said.

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"Us testifying against him, it wasn't a matter of not liking him, it wasn't a matter of any type of grudge or coercion," he said. "It was simply we knew that his actions, based on our experience, having operated in that area for months, were going to breed further insurgency. If you kill local citizens, they're no longer willing to help you."

  Army Times
Especially the dead ones.

Saturday, November 16, 2019

Authoritarian in action

President Trump is expected to intervene in three military justice cases involving service members charged with war crimes any day, issuing pardons or otherwise clearing them of wrongdoing and preventing the U.S. military from bringing the same charges again, three U.S. officials said Thursday.

  WaPo
Any objections?
The actions have been anticipated by U.S. officials and advocates for the service members for weeks, and decried by some military justice experts for what they see as a subversion of the legal process. Senior U.S. military officials also have registered their concern with the administration that the president intervening could undermine good order and discipline, said one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

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White House and Pentagon officials have been working out the details for days, said the officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. The details were not all clear but are expected to involve executive clemency, in which Trump can pardon someone or shorten a prison sentence through commutation.

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A Pentagon official, asked about the case, referred comment to recent remarks made by Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper. Esper acknowledged last week speaking with the president about the issue but declined to share his personal opinion.
Good soldier.
The cases include that of Army Maj. Mathew L. Golsteyn, a former Special Forces officer who faces a murder trial in the 2010 death of a suspected Taliban bombmaker; former Special Warfare Operator Chief Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL who recently was acquitted of murder but convicted of posing with the corpse of an Islamic State militant; and former Army 1st Lt. Clint Lorance, who was convicted of second-degree murder in 2013 and is serving a 19-year prison sentence for ordering his soldiers to open fire on three men in Afghanistan.

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The action follows Trump pardoning another veteran, former 1st Lt. Michael Behenna, in May in the 2008 murder of an Iraqi prisoner suspected of being a member of al-Qaeda.
We're going to need all our good war criminals to Keep America Great.
Behenna was convicted of unpremeditated murder and sentenced to 25 years after stripping a detainee naked, interrogating him without authorization and shooting him twice. Behenna said he was acting in self-defense and that the detainee made a move for the officer’s pistol.

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One concern in the Pentagon about the Lorance case is whether he is allowed to return to serving as an Army officer.

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Trump has raised questions about the prosecution of the Golsteyn and Gallagher cases previously, and all three service members have received extensive media coverage, especially in the conservative media.

In October, Trump tweeted that the case of Golsteyn was “under review” at the White House. Golsteyn, who earned a Silver Star for valor in Afghanistan that was later revoked by the Army, is “a highly decorated Green Beret who is being tried for killing a Taliban bombmaker,” Trump said.

“We train our boys to be killing machines, then prosecute them when they kill!” he tweeted.
Not often enough.

...but hey, do what you want...you will anyway.

UPDATE: